Comments on: Funny little argument http://www.esrun.co.uk/blog/funny-little-argument/ Self-proclaimed web spammer Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:46:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Convinced SEO http://www.esrun.co.uk/blog/funny-little-argument/#comment-1662 Convinced SEO Thu, 06 Sep 2007 23:32:39 +0000 http://www.esrun.co.uk/blog/funny-little-argument/#comment-1662 I have to say I'm partly convinced by your argument: your scraping is basically the same (besides the images bit) to what search engines do. The difference is that your pages are not always relevant, as the guy above said. I think you wouldn't get a hard time if your results were relevant though. Kind of like making a tgp where the links go to people you're trading traffic/selling traffic to. I have to say I’m partly convinced by your argument: your scraping is basically the same (besides the images bit) to what search engines do. The difference is that your pages are not always relevant, as the guy above said. I think you wouldn’t get a hard time if your results were relevant though. Kind of like making a tgp where the links go to people you’re trading traffic/selling traffic to.

]]> By: Cd-MaN http://www.esrun.co.uk/blog/funny-little-argument/#comment-1650 Cd-MaN Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:37:48 +0000 http://www.esrun.co.uk/blog/funny-little-argument/#comment-1650 Polarizing an issue is a cheap tactic to get people on your side. As you surely know, Google Cache only caches the text, not the images for one. Also, the distinction between Google and any "keyword optimized page" is very clear: Google gives me (usually) a useful pointer to the resource I'm looking for. It is an additional step (most people I assume would rather go directly to the page they're looking for rather than going the Google -> Webpage way), but it is a necessary step because of the amount of information we have. A "keyword page" almost never provides visitors with a value. It's just an additional step (in the better case when it's actually provides a link to the original source) or a roadblock when it doesn't. The issue with the terms of service is also much clearer than you make it out to be: contracts are secondary to the law, and if the law contains a fair use clause and your quoting is inside of those laws, a contract can not forbid you to do so, because it is against the law, and thus the contract is void. In conclusion: everything is about reciprocity. When you take other people's content and don't provide something back to them, don't expect to be welcome. Polarizing an issue is a cheap tactic to get people on your side. As you surely know, Google Cache only caches the text, not the images for one.

Also, the distinction between Google and any “keyword optimized page” is very clear: Google gives me (usually) a useful pointer to the resource I’m looking for. It is an additional step (most people I assume would rather go directly to the page they’re looking for rather than going the Google -> Webpage way), but it is a necessary step because of the amount of information we have. A “keyword page” almost never provides visitors with a value. It’s just an additional step (in the better case when it’s actually provides a link to the original source) or a roadblock when it doesn’t.

The issue with the terms of service is also much clearer than you make it out to be: contracts are secondary to the law, and if the law contains a fair use clause and your quoting is inside of those laws, a contract can not forbid you to do so, because it is against the law, and thus the contract is void.

In conclusion: everything is about reciprocity. When you take other people’s content and don’t provide something back to them, don’t expect to be welcome.

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